Wednesday, April 10, 2024

Preventive Maintenance

The mission statement of this blog from the very first post in 2008 was to create conversations similar to those that used to occur at record stores, or even better, those wonderful debates that happened among friends while listening to music.

I don’t know exactly when it started, but at some point, music fans stopped duking it out and debating the good versus the bad. I spent entire summers sitting on car hoods in Sheepshead Bay arguing with my buddies over who was better, Tony Iommi or Ritchie Blackmore, Ringo Starr or Charlie Watts. As quickly as we caught fire, we’d put that fire right out and we’d be off for some pizza, laughing with each other.

It was an event trying to sell your favorite over your friend’s favorite. We’d have exhibits A-G---cassettes, 45s, magazines---all making a case for why we thought this band sucked or why that band was better. In the end, we even changed some minds. 
 
Now, heaven forbid you say you think something stinks, it’s a choir of “Just move on. Let the people enjoy what they enjoy. Let the kids have fun. You don’t have to listen to it. Why ruin it for everybody?”

Why? Because it’s FUN to ruin it for everybody! It’s NOT all good! I don't want to pretend to like crap just to be diplomatic. I want to talk about it! That's the whole point of this damned place, to talk about the music we listen to. To share good and bad. To possibly change some minds.
 
I wrote what I thought was a solid piece about Beyonce's new release. I didn't trash the music, though some of it did make me cringe. As a matter of fact, I enjoyed a few songs and said so. My opinions on the agenda, the roll out, the labeling and the overall campaign of "Cowboy Carter" were not so positive and that seemed to ruffle some feathers. I don't mean the normal back and forth that happens in the comment section. As a matter of fact, C In California and I were having a pretty solid conversation about it, one that was exactly like those I mentioned up top. But then, a few people had to ruin it.
 
I received a few private comments, or to be more precise, threats. I was called a racist. Another more disturbing message was from someone threatening me. Yes, I've received comments like this before and usually I just delete and keep moving. But this one seemed a little too specific and it rattled me, so I took down the Beyonce post. I guess trolls come with the territory, but it still isn't much fun having to read this shit.
 
I could just post videos and zip files with no commentary at all and turn off the comments. But that wouldn't be any fun. That I think "Cowboy Carter" was a premeditated move to sell records, cause a stir and get a Grammy should not ruin your listening experience. The negative comments about reggae, hair bands and Todd Rundgren that I see time and again don't ruin mine. But I keep sharing that music in hopes of finally pushing a button. Hell, just yesterday Shriner said, "This might be the album that finally does it for the Lemon Twigs for me."
 
Okay. I'll shut up now.

Oh, one more thing.
 
I think it was Irving Berlin who said something to the effect of, "Popular music is popular because people like it."
 
I'd like to add, "McDonald's sells billions and billions of burgers a year, but that doesn't mean they are good for you."


29 comments:

Jimbo said...

The problem is cowards can hide behind the internet where in a face to face they keep quiet. How can you be a racist when you post Thin Lizzy who were led by a black man, Jimi Hendrix, Norah Jones just to name a few.
Just because you like Sprinsteen and I don't doesn’t give me the right to threaten you or any other Springsteen fan. Music like art, literature, movies, etc. you know what you like and don’t like and it may be different to a million others, but that does not give me the right to have a go at you.
I respect what you like and hopefully that’s what you will do to me, give me the same respect.
Social media is a hurtful place because of the anonymity and that is what’s so wrong today.
Like you I miss talking to likeminded people who like and influence me to try new genres, for example it took me ages to get into Leonard Cohen and Van Morrison till they both click, I still struggle with John Coltrane but again I respect those who rave about him.
My only advice would be not to let the bastards grind you down but that’s easy for me to say as I’m not being threaten and you don’t need that shit in your life.
Stay strong, your loved, respected and give thousands enjoyment via your blog and your job. I wish I was living near you as I would be in your shop everyday yapping or working for you.

Jobe said...

Nowaday's anybody can hide behind their opinions. Gone are the days of taking a stance and being praised/ridiculed while showing your face. Those that would brand you as a racist only are takeing the easy way out. I get it that opinions change. Some now consider Metal Machine Music a masterpiece but not Neil Young's Arc (go figure) Since the 60's for every good album that came out there were enormous piles of junk. I still don't think The Stones were a good band up until Aftermath. Day after day I'm still discovering things that I completly missed the first time around which makes discovering new bands very time consuming, knowing I'm on the downhill side now. There are tons of bands with a past track record that I know I can count on to continually put out good tunes. But everyone of them has a clunker in there somewhere. It's a damn shame some people think that great music did not exsist until the birth of social media

steve simels said...

Threats?

Death threats?

Jeebus, Sal -- I knew there are a lot of flaming assholes out there, but that blows my mind.

Hang in there....

Shriner said...

Hah, I love being name-checked. :-)

I spent some time with Cowboy Carter over the weekend and felt many of the comments were right on the money (ie, I think it does sound good. "Bodyguard" is the best song, but as somebody said -- it never resolves and that was ultimately frustrating about it. And that the album peters out at the end and is too long -- I listened to it in thirds over a few days and the first third was really good, the middle third had it's moments and the last third was pretty unmemorable...) My daughter who *loves* Lemonade (I did not) said the singles didn't speak to her and didn't like the album overall.

But when I was going to pile on with my (useless) commentary, II noticed the post was gone and figured that the comments must have devolved over the days and it seems I was right about that :-/

All that said, those people threatening you? Fuck them.

cmealha said...

It's just a reflection of what we become. There is no such thing as debate or discussion anymore just a lot of yelling, name-calling and threats.

Brian said...

Calling you a racist because of an opinion you expressed about music is ridiculous. The commenter must not have been capable of constructively discussing the merits of Beyonce's latest release. Anyone who would choose to enjoy or not enjoy music based on the race of the performer(s) isn't a lover of music. Please don't let a few idiots interfere with your passion for music and your passion for discussing music with us.

Anonymous said...

As young Boy Scouts, a friend and I were killing rainy campout time listening to a radio play the hits of the day. Sheena Easton's "Morning Train" had just come on, and we were kinda half-listening when an older boy poked his head in the tent and said, "How can you listen to that crap?! Get a Big Boys record instead."

This was my example of that perfect contrary voice. It took some time before I found a Big Boys album (I doubt they were ever played on the radio) and it took a few spins to get my head around their sloppy punk-funk energetic music, but I stopped half-listening to whatever was played on the radio and started to learn the bands and songs and albums that I liked. And record store clerks were important guides on that journey.

Music criticism saves lives!

Troy said...

This is where social media, by its very nature, falls short of real human interaction. It's the slow disappearance of actual verbal discourse, replaced to a large extent with short summary statements typed into a chat box and that often do not reflect context or nuance. This type of engagement is far different than the lengthy, enjoyable debates that you or I had in person with our buddies back in the day.

I admit that I tend to join posts here where I am in agreement with you or others who are posting. Occasionally I will post a dissenting opinion, but I have had experiences (on other sites, not here) where I have posted my opinion and someone either thought I was attacking them and/or they attacked me. I don't mind disagreements, but most of these felt like insults from people I do not know. And I don't have the time or inclination to engage with that kind of shit. So I just really don't get into the lengthy debates online anymore.

I'm sorry to hear of hateful, racist things being posted on any of your discussions. I certainly hope & trust that these are from anonymous internet trolls as opposed to regular participants of this forum. And I would think it is definitely more likely to happen on a thread about a big star and event like Beyonce's new album (where any dickhead could stumble across this site via a google search for 'Cowboy Carter' and then fire up their crap) than it would be on a thread about any of the usual BW artists or topics.

Sal Nunziato said...

"I certainly hope & trust that these are from anonymous internet trolls as opposed to regular participants of this forum."

Of course they are anonymous. You'd need a modicum of intelligence and at least one ball to have a civil conversation using a real name and face.

Troy said...

Just call me Capt. Obvious ;)

Anonymous said...

Sal, your photo of Satch and Lucille says it all... and makes me smile.

Randy

M_Sharp said...

Wow, that’s ugly. I wondered what happened to that piece, I only had time for a quick skim, and it was gone when I went back. I don’t remember anything even vaguely racist, and that’s not what you do. I enjoy reading your blog because you know what you’re talking about, and if you say something stinks, you have a good reason to say that, and it probably does stink.

You need a thick skin to be on social media anymore. Facebook’s getting to be a real cesspool, they stopped moderating a while ago, very few of the worst insults are deleted. Forget about commenting on a political page, there’s no such thing as respectful disagreement. The most hostile trolls usually have fake IDs. I’m on a car artwork page, I posted a photo of a car I modified with Photoshop, and the first comment was: “That’s horrible”. Thanks for your critique, Facebook Raymond Lowey. Fortunately, the Group Admin deletes that garbage.

Look at the bright side- maybe Jay Z reads your blog, and got pissed! If you really want to be attacked, write something critical about Elon Musk. His fanboys think he’s a perfect being.

daudder said...

ignore the trolls (easier said than done);

Your POV is valuble, insightful. Your take ons, and the scope of, music, musicians is wildly entertaining. That it encompasss those who I never heard of, have forgotten, love, and even don't like very much, makes you a daily read, and often buy/download.

Keep it up. Detlete the trolls.

Sean Clinchy said...

Beyoncé (and Jay Z) are marketers first, artists second. That doesn’t mean they can’t produce good music, but it certainly lowers the odds.
Being called racist because you didn’t like a black artist’s record is akin to those who would call a person antisemitic for condemning Israel’s genocide in Gaza. Easier to do that than to debate the merits of the question.

Anonymous said...

I am a daily reader. Silent participant. I really enjoy and share your work. Thank you for doing what you do. Love your passion!!

Noel M said...

Sorry about the fools. All the rest of us enjoy everything about Burning Wood. SO KEEP BURNING THAT WOOD!

Even if we don't agree, 99% of us will be cool about it. And we may even learn something!

Christine said...

I'm sorry you felt compelled to take down your post because of idiotic name calling and threats. For the record, I've known you a very long time, and you are the LEAST racist person I know! It seems this is what we've become now. Nobody is entitled to their own opinion anymore unless it matches so and so's opinion.

As promised, I did listen to "Cowoby Carter" in its entirety. Since I can't comment on the original post, briefly, I'll just say that I liked "Texas Hold 'Em a lot, and there were one or two others that of course I can't remember now. "YaYa" started playing and I expected to hear Nancy Sinatra's voice! Oh, and I could just hear Tom Hanks yelling "THERE'S NO TWERKING IN COUNTRY MUSIC!" I wanted to like "Jolene" but Beyonce sounded like she was underwater. In fact, I think my issue is that her voice just isn't country! All this genre blending blurring the lines aggravates me. I like my lines in music very defined, but that's cranky old me. Levi Jeans and singing "Giddyup" do not make you a country artist. Of course, she can make any kind of record she wants to, but we don't have to like it, and THAT'S OKAY!

I agree that "Blackbird" was good, but I also agree with you that this record could be an attempt to finally win that Record of the Year.

Well, that wasn't brief.

Don't let the bastards get to you, Sal.

Anonymous said...

“How can you be a racist when you post Thin Lizzy who were led by a black man, Jimi Hendrix, Norah Jones just to name a few.” I just will add, how can you be a racist when yourself are from Italian descent? This world is crazy. Keep the good job.
Roy

Anonymous said...

If they think you’re a racist, they don’t read you very often.
If you have to like Beyoncé’s record to not be a racist we’re in big trouble.
I’m not the hide Todd fan you are, but I don’t hate people from Philadelphia.
Sorry you got shit from jerks.
Cleveland Jeff

Anonymous said...

This whole Beyoncé thing is crazy. Rock bands have been making country influenced music for years. It’s only with the advent of outlaw and alt have the stones or any rock band been heard in country circles. Rock bands have also played funk and r n b and how often do they get played on urban stations. It’s not racist but it’s the way it’s always been. People in general need to take a deep breath

Sjm said...

I'm sorry to hear this. As a non-American, when we look at the USA it seems part of a wider social trend whereby people have less tolerance for hearing/seeing things they 'don't like', and they appear to have less ability to, as you say, disagree amicably.

Anonymous said...

A couple things to consider:
The back-n-forth of your younger days, with fellow music fans of your age/cohort, may not transfer to a blog produced in your 50s/60s; by that later time, your readers have lived a lot, mellowed, maybe are more forgiving of others' (musical) differences, figured out that the stuff they were so passionate about (not just music, but breaking balls) when they were younger isn't as important to them. I'm not saying you (or anybody) should quell your passion, but maybe some of those "Just move on/you don't have to listen to it" folks actually, really mean it, because the friendly (or not) argument they would've had about it at 16 or 25 doesn't match where they're at now. As a 62-year-old, I still find new (to me) music all the time, so I've got that 'burning' in me that you have, but, honestly, even as a young'un I didn't try to convince anybody to like the stuff I liked, nor slag off my friends' likes. I did love when we were in accord, tho! And I love when you, or other articulate music-lovers, state your thoughts on stuff like Beyonce's new album.
The other thing I was struck by is the anonymous insults/threats bullshit. I think Troy hit the proverbial nail -- the comments are from dipshits that found you because you wrote about someone they care about. I've seen this sooooooo many times online -- anomalous (and often anonymous!) comments from a reader who clearly is not a regular reader of the blog/journal, but just HAD to defend their hero/ine after running across someone who wasn't a true believer. It's easy for me to say ignore it, but I honestly feel like they will move on quickly from Burning Wood because there will be other 'evildoers' like you who need to be upbraided for being so 'wrong' about their chosen idol. Ditto on the racist charge -- anybody with a brain can tell that's not you, so, by definition, this is an accusation/accuser you can ignore.
I guess part of the reason I didn't argue for my music or against others', even as a youth, was that I knew how subjective taste is, and telling someone I get a chill when I hear the beginning rumbling of Savoy Brown's 'Train To Nowhere', or automatically smile when I hear Jimmy Rodgers or the Ramones, or have to move when I hear JJ Jackson's 'But It's Alright', didn't feel like something I could 'convince' someone of/to do.
I hope you continue to advocate for your likes/dislikes, and be okay with only a handful -- if that's all there are -- out of many readers getting your point. But, of course, if 'only a handful' is not the return you want to make it worthwhile, I understand being reluctant to continue inviting discussion. All your arguments for artists I just don't get, in no way diminish my opinion of you as a savvy listener who knows of what he speaks, but you're the one who has to put in the work (and put up with the assholes), so I'd understand whatever you decide.
C in California

cjbennett said...

I come her every day for the opinions. I don't always agree with them, but it does sometimes force me to listen again and maybe try to hear what others are hearing. Please keep up the good work Sal. This blog is unique and valuable.

Anonymous said...

Keep doin’ you, sir.
I was oblivious to the marketing/media for Cowboy Carter.
I prioritized listening to the album upon its release solely because of an earlier discussion you prompted re: ‘Texas Hold ‘Em’. I read your subsequent review of the album and the shared discussion which I found interesting. I always appreciate the honesty of the reviews and comments shared. I’ve listened to Cowboy Carter multiple times since its release. I like it little more than some here, but not by much. Concur with the front 2/3rds being the strongest. I do like the singles, particularly within the context of the album.
As for some of the peripheral things, I think Ken Burns in his interview in Billboard shared some interesting thoughts.
Thank you for all you do, Sal

Anonymous said...

Oh man ...

As someone who had fingers very slightly warmed on a previous Cowboy Carter post I really ain't gettin' into it :-)

Still ...

I see that insightful music critic Megan Kelly offered her thoughts on Beyoncé's latest!

Two thoughts:

I've said here before ... there are more horses asses than there are horses

And ...

Back to the Burning Wood mission ... I remember being in the Disk Shop on Dundas Street in London Ontario and asking the salesperson about the song on the turntable ... "what's this?" To which he replied in his best / worst High Fidelity ... "That's Rock and Roll!"



Oh I miss the record store!

Always remember how much we appreciate everything you do Sal


Anonymous said...

Damn ... Why do I show up as an anonymous post? :-) phone / computer / tablet ... I can't figure any of this!

Cha Cha Cha

JayEssEmm

Old Dave said...

Sal, thanks for your passion, it really shines through in your posts. Your intelligent critiques and vast musical knowledge have led me to give a listen to previously unknown artists (to me). Haven't loved all of them, haven't hated all of them, but I get what you're trying to do.

Just because one person likes Swiss cheese and another likes cheddar doesn't make either the anti-Christ, regardless of what some basement dwellers may say.

Keep up the good work, and thanks again.

Anonymous said...

Sal: As a long-time lurker, and sometimes benign commenter, don't let the Internet Trolls get you down. Stand by your opinions (Beyonce and otherwise); others appreciate the point you are trying to do with your blog. Social media has, unfortunately, proven to be NOT a societal good for our culture/society/governmental institutions. The conspiracy-theorist in me thinks this is all by design. In my experience, Myspace and Epinions were probably the best the Internet could hope for. It's been all downhill since. Get off my lawn and hang in there. Michael D.

vincentsear said...

i dig what you do ...